Simple-300mm Y axis, No sag!

[pvyParts]

[EddB]

[Jon Lawrence]

Well it looks like the X bed modifications have gained a little too much traction for this thread. If you would like to continue discussion on increasing the X bed depth, please visit "Simple X Bed Depth Increase" thread. Here is a link:

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6860

[killbox]

is anyone having issues with the belt almost coming on the bearing? my belt keeps coming oh so close to popping off when the hotend goes all the way in. and when it pulls out the belt crawls back onto the bearing.

[Jon Lawrence]

[Some Printr Noob]

[ThereWillBprints]

What about anchoring points along the base and simply applying all the mods to the new wider base? In this case you could even switch between small and large. I could draw it but not CAD if anyone is interested. I was thinking of doing this any way with the LG S'S bearing you see in the link. I mean since we are going big.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ ... earing+8mm

[ThereWillBprints]

At this point you could even add more boards lights and whistles!

[evanalmighty]

I just want to add that today I replaced the small Wantai Y axis motor for a larger Kysan and the Simple is now running a lot smoother and quieter than before. I can't believe I waited this long to do this.

[Jon Lawrence]

[Some Printr Noob]

[evanalmighty]

Yes you'll have to move the board somewhere else. I removed the board and put it on the outside of the wall a month ago because I didn't like the clutter and the way my cable bundle going to the extruder was bending. I'll post pics tomorrow.

[EddB]

[evanalmighty]

Excuse the mess. I'm going to wait for my long extension cables to arrive and switch over to the RAMPS 1.4 board. I'm going to place that and the raspberry pi inside the PC tower with the psu.

[EddB]

[evanalmighty]

I pulled that from the PC case and put it there to power my gopro camera and the raspberry pi. I'll clean that up later on too. Right now I'm just trying to repurpose whatever I can

[jwiede]

Jon, w.r.t. the 300mm no-sag Y mod, if you have the parametric CAD version still handy... I have one rod 3" longer (instead of 2" longer) than the other, and so wanted to extend the "rear Y" bottom rod opening out an inch further, giving the piece an overall "L" shape (and potentially making a spot to hang a counterweight for experiments). Is that something you can easily generate?

If not, no worries, I'm trying to edit it using SketchUpPro, it's just that by then extending the internal opening and end appears to be a lot more work (heck, even just getting the internal opening and end selected is a lot of work), so figured I'd ask if you still had it in a parametric / pre-triangulated/polygonated form.

[ThereWillBprints]

So tonight I did my Z axis install! I need extended cables for Y motor and the end stop. However, with 406mm rods my print height is now 2 1/2 times larger!

I now however am stuck with the decision if I want to go 6" for the X axis or the y axis? I have the an extra set of rods so the only one other axis gets the honor of going 10.75" as well. I will probably do make the X axis my weapon of choice as it lends itself to stability issues.

Wish me luck!

[Jon Lawrence]

[jwiede]

Many thanks, Jon, this'll be a real help!

Are you planning to redo the frontY piece with similar "open" rod-sleeving + screws to hold at bottom? My printed version turned out with the proportions near perfect in everything except the holes for the rods come in at ~7.5mm and my rods are precisely 8mm. I'm debating whether to reprint slightly larger, or maybe try drilling it out slightly, but if you're going to re-release frontY part with "open sleeves" and screws like rearY shown, I'll definitely wait and reprint.

[Jon Lawrence]

[ThereWillBprints]

Thanks for the continuing updates John!

Also for the guys who did the Z axis extension, where did you get the cables to extend the y motor+endstop cables? Even without them I have an extra inch now on the z axis but I want to go all the way!

[Some Printr Noob]

[jwiede]

Amazon has rods in lengths of 330, 406, and ~490 (can't recall the last measurement). Do search on "8mm rod 406" and you'll find them, the listings start with "Linear motion".

[Jon Lawrence]

[Some Printr Noob]

I bought my linear smooth rods from ebay. Turns out they came from vxb.

Still looking for the 1/4"-16 acme rod.

[greenb]

[ThereWillBprints]

I bought my rods from vxb directly and couldn't be happier from the results. My new print area with only two sets of rods should be 8×6×8 and heated! However I have no plans to go to ABS plastic.

Also I am thinking of just printing an extension plate for my board as to for go the wire extensions.

As I see it the print area works out perfect for this and it seems the cables from the lower motors and end stops will cover the remaining space. Also I will print support feet for the sides of the base to allow for all the new weight.

I really am enjoying seeing the different styles though!

[ThereWillBprints]

[jwiede]

ThereWillBprints: I think you meant to say that to Jon (no "h") L., or am I misunderstanding?

Jon: As I forgot and printed the rearY piece at 60% instead of 100% infill, attempting to drill it with 5/16th kinda made a mess of it. The new screw-based design should solve any sizing issues nicely, so I'll just print up one of those as "rearY". I printed the "frontY" piece at 100% infill, so I'm hoping drilling it with the 5/16th goes better. Will edit shortly with outcome, maybe pics. Thanks as always for the info/help!

(edit) Actually, even the rearY piece might still be okay. Drilling out the frontY piece worked wonders at allowing the bottom rod to seat properly, but ran out of time before I could try drilling the shallower top rod's seating, guess I'll try that tomorrow.

On a separate note, how common is it for the front/rear pieces to twist out of "flatness" once under tension? Seems like that might be an issue, figured I'd ask.

[ThereWillBprints]

Thanks for the correction;)

Alas I got my threaded rod from Lowe's and it proved to be a stupid move, of course, since the threads were 20 not 16 and not even the reprap calculator could get me back to the proper steps. Every time I tried to hit 50mm it would go some where else. Than I found out that it pretty much destroyed the coupling between the motor and rod causing massive slippage and wobble. I have a spare but need to order the rod.

With that said I think I will order the m8 rod and the 1/4" 20 rod as well. The M8 rod is supposed to give you more accuracy but with the 1/4" you don't have to do calibration. Oh nerd woes....

[Jon Lawrence]

[ThereWillBprints]

Thanks again Jon, the calculator gave the same number so I am going to believe that either I am entering it in wrong manually or that the coupler, stock, couldn't handle the connection. After spending the better part of sleeping I found out it was the coupler. I am going to replace with a brand new one and see what happens. If nothing I am guessing I could print it on the old stock rod.

By the by, I entered the following code in Repetier control panel on my mac:

M92 Z2519.69

[RetireeJay]

[Jon Lawrence]

Question for those using the front end with the mount for the aluminum extruder "ExtendYFront2014AlExtruder"

Would this part benefit from a couple gussets to help support under the aluminum extruder?

ExtendY2014Gusset.JPG

[evanalmighty]

I think it's fine the way it is. It'll probably get in the way of the wirings anyway.

[killbox]

looks better to me. I have a problem with your current design. I have the mod installed and it's stabilized now but before i learned how hot my extruder motor ran, the front end soften enough distort. it's not a print ending failure but i think it could due with some reinforcement

[Some Printr Noob]

[killbox]

I did that, also added a high speed fan and a heatsink. but I'd still like the extra support

[Jon Lawrence]

Uploaded a version RevA to Thingiverse that includes some extra supports for anybody interested. All versions are still available for download, so use whatever works best for your situation.

[Munson]

Jon,Is there a way of squeezing in a hole between the rods and the extruder motor for an aftermarket probe to fit in(larger probe)I'll get measurements

[Jon Lawrence]

[Palerob]

[Some Printr Noob]

Currently pondering a bowden setup with this mod. I did see this part:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:292716

But the 2-3mm hotend raise will likely cause some problems with my Z extension hitting my aluminum coupler(I have <1mm spacing when homed).
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:300647

My current solidworks skills are super nooby still, so I was wondering if someone could remix and put the bowden addon directly into the extruder plate, so that it wouldn't raise the hotend 3mm.

[evanalmighty]

I can make a different adapter that would keep the hotend at the same height.

[jwiede]

[Munson]

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[Munson]

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[Munson]

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[Munson]

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[Munson]

Those are the measurements for the aftermarket sensor probe.Sorry for the delay I was in the hospital

[Jon Lawrence]

[Munson]

Thanks,That was fast...I agree with it.Does anyone else in here have any input?

[evanalmighty]

Munson is that the actual part sold through Printrbot or something with similar geometries?

[Munson]

Not from printrbot,I may be wrong but it looks like the printrbot probe is narrower,My thinking was if the hole is large enough to fit the one from amazon most are using,a washer could be used to narrow the hole for printr

[Munson]

Printrbot probe.

[Palerob]

[Munson]

Yes it is

[pvyParts]

seeing as i already had the printed parts for the y mod i was thinking of something like this to bolt on for the auto leveler

sorry i don't have my drawing stuff here today so just a printout with some ink on it lol!

no y offset
with a bit of -x




i was gonna just cable tie it to the pole hence the dodgy circles

** edit ** i realise that this wont print as is was just getting my idea on paper

[Jon Lawrence]

[pvyParts]

[EddB]

[pvyParts]

[jwiede]

[Jon Lawrence]

[Munson]

Will that size the aftermarket also or just the stock sensor from printrbot?

[Jon Lawrence]

[ThereWillBprints]

I know this is off topic slightly but I was wondering about the wiring.

Where do you buy male to female connectors for the 4 pin from the y axis motor? Also the 2 pin connector for the endstop? Did you just splice the wires and go from there? I am horrible at soldering so that is why I ask. I would even paypal someone to make a set for me if they pm me.

**edit*** The staff at PrintrBot got me the proper size threaded rod and wires. Shipping out today!***

Thanks.

On another note the new mods rock. Might I suggest spacing the motor out away from the plate by two ways? The first being a wall plate to act as a barrier and the second as a actual anchor point. Another thing to keep in mind the metal printrbot rotated the extruder by 180 all together, which leads me to believe they have high heat issues there as well.

[evanalmighty]

How about this for the probe mount? This is the 12mm version with 0 Y offset and X = 30mm. If you want the Amazon probe version let me know. This setup shouldn't interfere with the XL tower wall, but who knows.
Bed-probe-mount-12mm.jpg

[Munson]

That is a perfect spot Evan!Is that an add on?what about the fan for the extruder?

[Jon Lawrence]

[Munson]

I just started printing yours Jon,a 7 hour print.I hope Evans addon screws on simply and the fan can be squeezed in.

[evanalmighty]

I'm not sure. If it's not long enough let me know and I'll extend it down. I don't have my extruder fan located on that side. Are you wanting to integrate a fan mount with the probe holder?

[Munson]

Where do you have your fan?

[evanalmighty]

It's mounted on the heatsink, which is bonded to the motor with thermal adhesive.

[Munson]

What about the heat from the hot end rising into the extruder?

[evanalmighty]

I find that keeping the motor cool does more than trying to keep the hotend heat from creeping up.

[Munson]

I'll give that a whirl,do you have the aftermarket setup yet?

[Munson]

Or maybe I'll try placing the fan in the front and space it so it will blow on the alu and the motor

[evanalmighty]

Aftermarket setup? What's that?

[Munson]

The 18 mm hole,the probe that is sold on amazon is a bit larger.

[evanalmighty]

Oh ok i'll post that up in a bit.

[evanalmighty]

So here's the 18mm aftermarket probe mount version. If you want to incorporate the fan mount with it let me know. I'll think of something.

[Munson]

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1398544421.258937.jpgthe only thing that may cause an issue to mount it is the support piece underneath.I will try to stuff some washers in there,the print has already started..thank you Evan

[evanalmighty]

Ah I did not have that new reinforced version of the extruder mount so I missed that brace right there.

[Munson]

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1398550302.881989.jpgit is a very tight fit,without the right size screws it is very hard to mount.Thanks for the effort Evan.

[evanalmighty]

Can you measure how tall/deep that brace is? I can make some quick spacers to clear that.

Here's a 6mm tall spacer, but I'm guessing you don't need that much.

[Munson]

A 4.5mm spacer will work with a m3x22 screw with a little wiggly room

[Munson]

Keep the 6,I just miked the brace

[Munson]

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1398552742.687030.jpgI purchased this along with a piece of sheet aluminum 12x12 for 8 bucks and a pine board 24x12 I had cut to size for 1.50 at Home Depot for a bed.

[Munson]

The 6 was too long,3 would only work if I dremel out a piece of the brace,If you make the spacers any longer I fear that there will be too little thread going into the alu,in my case a plastic extruder

[evanalmighty]

So you think 4.5mm will work best?

[Munson]

4.5 will require longer screws,personally I have no issue cutting a small piece of structure.I have so many m3x22 and other assorted fasteners from the y axis I am Trying to incorporate instead of purchasing another box of 50 for only 2 that will be used.that is why I suggested 3mm,others may not have a dremel.

[evanalmighty]

Here's a 3mm spacer version. Hope that helps.

[EddB]

[jwiede]

[Munson]

Thanks jwiede and eddb,maybe I can just drive small nails into the wood board where the sensor levels the points?

[Munson]

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1398631815.452790.jpgok,has anyone else built this yet?I am having a lot of issues.First,I am losing about 2inches on my Y retract because the new frame holes seem closer together.Second,I had to order an alu because I printed a plastic version and my hot end is not only wobbly but too high up now,I bottomed out after adjusting my z axis screw a 1/4 inch and still cannot reach the bed.Last I tried to use Evans mod but it is just too high for my probe to reach the bed.My printer is up on cinder blocks for a while

[evanalmighty]

How much lower does it need to go?

[Munson]

Evan It's fine,thanks for the effort.The gap is 10-15mm off not adding in the original spacing you provided.I am still wondering if I lost 1mm on the print on the new Y from changing my settings on my z from 2020 to 2015.xx.I ordered an alu extruder,Jon Lawrence designs are always on the money it must be my settings