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Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Fri-19-Apr

I am really happy about it but I can't make the mounting Plate just yet! Also have to some new PLA that arrived in under ten hours! If the hot end processes like the pla than we should have new prints by sunday.
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Postby etxbkst » 2015-Apr-Sat-07-Apr

What kind of filament is that?
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Sat-18-Apr

Sparkly dark blue, looks amazing right?
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby orangefurball » 2015-Apr-Sat-19-Apr

I wonder how well those sparkles will go through the hot end...
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Mon-07-Apr

Brand new v6, we'll see. Also I have a .6mm nozzle tip coming with it. Which by the tracking number arrives tomorrow mid day. I am very curious as well but it was made by makerbot so you know it might break.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby Mooselake » 2015-Apr-Mon-13-Apr

Makerbot just laid off 20% of their staff because they weren't experiencing enough year-year growth, wonder if that will affect the quality of their products? Also wondering how that Stratasys acquisition, along with ticking off a good chunk of the reprap community (Takerbot...), is working out?

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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby orangefurball » 2015-Apr-Mon-14-Apr

Mooselake wrote:Makerbot just laid off 20% of their staff because they weren't experiencing enough year-year growth, wonder if that will affect the quality of their products? Also wondering how that Stratasys acquisition, along with ticking off a good chunk of the reprap community (Takerbot...), is working out?

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1/5th of the employees gone? I would say there is something wrong.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby Mooselake » 2015-Apr-Mon-15-Apr

They just couldn't keep their exponential growth going, and followed in the footsteps of the 90s tech boom, the mid aught's housing boom, and the great Llama (insert your exotic animal of choice) boom. I'm sure that Bre won't go hungry since he bailed last fall, although all the promised management bonuses went with the missed growth targets

In other news, the 3D printing industry had a "disappointing" quarter, although the article refers only to the big industrial 3D printer suppliers. I don't think Brook is included, and he may be part of the cause.

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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby RetireeJay » 2015-Apr-Mon-15-Apr

Mooselake wrote: he may be part of the cause.


Indeed, the article specifically mentions competition from low-end printers (which means ones that cost less than $5000).

One of the commenters on the article questions the methodology of the person doing the survey (although layoffs and stock price declines are not subject to survey errors).
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Tue-06-Apr

Mooselake wrote:Makerbot just laid off 20% of their staff because they weren't experiencing enough year-year growth, wonder if that will affect the quality of their products? Also wondering how that Stratasys acquisition, along with ticking off a good chunk of the reprap community (Takerbot...), is working out?

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Honestly, their market focus was never on the reprap community, look at the price point. The fact though that the software they have been releasing, 1.2m in maintenance and support in combination with the z-18 launch failure, and there should not be much left in the budget. It was a large risk to follow the community's want for size, but the truth is the community is not able to afford 3 grand every year for five years, not to mention seven grand. It was an over estimation on market activity combined with pure arrogance. The financial reports showed that this year the 3D printer market was supposed to break the 20% threshold to become mainstream. It has not happened yet but should get there by 2020. The fact is that most people are lazy when it comes to tech. Beyond a jailbreak, they want nothing to do with tech.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby Mooselake » 2015-Apr-Tue-07-Apr

If you're going for jailbreak low tech explosives might be a better choice. In the case of the Mooselake Iron Bar Hilton you might be able to pull it off with a pair of boltcutters if you feel lucky.

Otherwise I can't say I disagree with you. I really wanted a cupcake, but it was just too darned expensive.

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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Tue-12-Apr

Arrived at 10:10am! I have been playing wow to get out my jumpy fingers. It made things worse.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Tue-15-Apr

So I did the wiring and placement. I am the curious type as well so I thought I would take pictures to show how the lite V6 fits. I am really happy that it will be below the fan mount and still have no wiggle. If anything I will bag the electronics and sand off the extra.

Taking time to play with the toddler. Will post more tonight.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby orangefurball » 2015-Apr-Tue-15-Apr

Looks good, but you may want to design a fan shroud to aim the air at the nozzle!
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Postby RetireeJay » 2015-Apr-Tue-16-Apr

Looks nice. You probably already plan this, but be sure to anchor your heater and thermistor wires to the E3D or something attached immovably to it. Those solid wires are not very good at resisting flexing. Let stranded wires absorb the repeated bending.
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Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Tue-21-Apr

Thanks Jay! In all honesty though the supplied equipment was pretty solid. The kit came with clamping connectors, heat shrink tubing and more than extra length on all wires.

The connections all have clamps, hst and braided covers. All in all pretty painless, except for my toddler wanting to touch all the parts.

Also now I am at 1/3 of the regular print time. I am sure I will have quality issues.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby RetireeJay » 2015-Apr-Tue-21-Apr

From that photograph, you still have the wires from the E3D "hanging out there." Even if they are not being flexed by the normal motion of the printhead, there is still a possibility that they may vibrate. A short run with no cantilever would be best.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Wed-10-Apr

Thanks RetireeJay! Last night I was so tired after the kids work aND school that I went to sleep. I will fix the areas mentioned by zip tie to the original posting point. I also will get the access back into the cable harness but I have on order some red velcro to change it out.

I also am running the printer today as well. Had to fix my old gcode but it should be rather quick.

Today's setup also uses a glue stick and a piece of tape along the back edge of the model. It says 20 minutes and I will try to start at 9am pacific time. I also am running slow at only 40mm as I don't know anything about a .6mm nozzle at all. I will say that the model looked better in Cura as well. Must be the new layer height.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Wed-12-Apr

I am getting no or very little Extrusion motor movement!! I have tried increasing the flow and speed separately but have no answers. In addition the google searches show only that I must restart the program. This is in repetier mac. Here is the code!
9:23:31 AM: Attempting to connect to printer
9:23:31 AM: Couldn't open port for device usbmodem12341
9:24:16 AM: Attempting to connect to printer
9:24:16 AM: Connection opened
< 9:24:17 AM: start
< 9:24:17 AM: echo:PowerUp
< 9:24:17 AM: Brown out Reset
< 9:24:17 AM: Marlin 1.0.0
< 9:24:17 AM: FIRMWARE_NAME:Marlin V1; Sprinter/grbl mashup for gen6 FIRMWARE_URL:http://www.mendel-parts.com PROTOCOL_VERSION:1.0 MACHINE_TYPE:Mendel EXTRUDER_COUNT:3
< 9:28:08 AM: echo: cold extrusion prevented
< 9:28:13 AM: echo: cold extrusion prevented
9:33:12 AM: Printing layer 1 of 8
< 9:33:12 AM: Error:Line Number is not Last Line Number+1, Last Line: 190 ****This is what I am googling now!
< 9:33:12 AM: Resend: 191
9:33:12 AM: Printing layer 2 of 8
< 9:33:12 AM: Error:Line Number is not Last Line Number+1, Last Line: 190
< 9:33:12 AM: Resend: 191
9:33:33 AM: Printing layer 3 of 8
9:39:29 AM: Printing layer 4 of 8
9:42:10 AM: Printing layer 5 of 8
9:44:44 AM: Printing layer 6 of 8
9:47:22 AM: Printing layer 7 of 8
9:49:55 AM: Printing layer 8 of 8
9:52:29 AM: Printing layer 9 of 8
9:55:14 AM: Printjob finished at Apr 29, 2015, 9:55:14 AM PDT
9:55:14 AM: Printing time: 22m:33s
9:55:14 AM: lines send: 9849
9:57:10 AM: Connection closed
9:57:56 AM: Attempting to connect to printer
9:57:56 AM: Connection opened
< 9:57:56 AM: start
< 9:57:56 AM: echo:PowerUp
< 9:57:56 AM: Brown out Reset
< 9:57:56 AM: Marlin 1.0.0
< 9:57:56 AM: FIRMWARE_NAME:Marlin V1; Sprinter/grbl mashup for gen6 FIRMWARE_URL:http://www.mendel-parts.com PROTOCOL_VERSION:1.0 MACHINE_TYPE:Mendel EXTRUDER_COUNT:3
9:59:46 AM: Printing layer 1 of 8
9:59:46 AM: Printing layer 2 of 8




Now this is what I loaded it as
M92 E1.500000
M109 S210.000000
;Sliced at: Wed 29-04-2015 10:15:40
;Basic settings: Layer height: 0.8 Walls: 1 Fill: 10
;Print time: 20 minutes
;Filament used: 3.83m 11.0g
;Filament cost: None
;M190 S70 ;Uncomment to add your own bed temperature line
;M109 S210 ;Uncomment to add your own temperature line
G21 ;metric values
G90 ;absolute positioning
M82 ;set extruder to absolute mode
M107 ;start with the fan off
G28 X0 Y0 ;move X/Y to min endstops
G28 Z0 ;move Z to min endstops
G1 Z15.0 F1800 ;move the platform down 15mm
G92 E0 ;zero the extruded length
G1 F200 E3 ;extrude 3mm of feed stock
G92 E0 ;zero the extruded length again
G1 F1800
;Put printing message on LCD screen
M117 Printing...

;Layer count: 2
;LAYER:0
M106 S255
G0 F1800 X59.194 Y32.484 Z0.600
;TYPE:SKIRT
G1 F1200 X61.290 Y28.699 E0.53964
G1 X63.659 Y25.245 E1.06203
G1 X66.981 Y21.288 E1.70644
G1 X67.742 Y20.554 E1.83831
G1 X71.231 Y17.186 E2.44315
G1 X72.080 Y16.520 E2.57773
G1 X76.090 Y13.379 E3.21305
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby Mooselake » 2015-Apr-Wed-12-Apr

ThereWillBprints2 wrote:< 9:24:17 AM: echo:PowerUp
< 9:24:17 AM: Brown out Reset
< 9:24:17 AM: Marlin 1.0.0

< 9:28:08 AM: echo: cold extrusion prevented
< 9:28:13 AM: echo: cold extrusion prevented

< 9:57:56 AM: echo:PowerUp
< 9:57:56 AM: Brown out Reset

Are these errors that you introduced (by something like turning the power off and on), or are they happening on their own? Was the cold extrusion prevented because you didn't wait for it to come up to temp with a manual extrusion. Are you seeing reasonable values from the extruder thermistor (i.e expected temps, including room temp before you heat it up)?

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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Wed-17-Apr

Mooselake wrote:
ThereWillBprints2 wrote:< 9:24:17 AM: echo:PowerUp
< 9:24:17 AM: Brown out Reset
< 9:24:17 AM: Marlin 1.0.0

< 9:28:08 AM: echo: cold extrusion prevented
< 9:28:13 AM: echo: cold extrusion prevented

< 9:57:56 AM: echo:PowerUp
< 9:57:56 AM: Brown out Reset

Are these errors that you introduced (by something like turning the power off and on), or are they happening on their own? Was the cold extrusion prevented because you didn't wait for it to come up to temp with a manual extrusion. Are you seeing reasonable values from the extruder thermistor (i.e expected temps, including room temp before you heat it up)?

Kirk


Hi Kirk,
The brown out is consistent through every connection and power up. I am searching for it.

Cold extrusion was due to me not allowing the temp to reach. My apologies for not stating that.

The heat is spot on including room temperature which I really liked.

In addition when I get back from class tonight I will try to check the coding as well. I think that for what ever reason also the extruder wires may be crimped when I switched the fan around. Lastly I am going to check the board settings to verify that the e3d settings remained and it is not taking too much power. I ordered the 12v universal direct drive because I don't want to yet mess with bowden.

I also notice the z height acting up on print jobs only. I can home it and it is fine from there but until I get a decent dry run. Nothing being printed :( Means that I have to verify the boards entire settings. Motor steps on all accesses, voltage and even the code itself. Sounds like my kind of night.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby frankv » 2015-Apr-Wed-19-Apr

I'm guessing that the brown-out messages mean that the PrintrBoard has reset (presumably because the power supply voltage dropped) but found its memory was still intact when it restarted. How else would the board know that there had been a brown-out?

So I'd be replacing the power supply with something a bit more powerful.

Or maybe there's a (near-)short in the wiring, so that when the extruder (or fan or bed or nozzle heater) turns on, so much power goes through there that the not enough goes to CPU (and other devices). At that point the CPU resets and turns off the shorted circuit. In theory, this could happen fast enough that fuses don't blow.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Thu-00-Apr

Thank you Frank! Any suggestions on the power supply?

I am also thinking the programming of the board did not set. M501, thanks JAY! Um but is it really just entering it into Repetier or do I have to do it in the Marlin firmware as well? Maybe?

Also I was thinking connections as well since I have not heard from Jay, yet. He is a coding god.

I am thinking that the settings also never locked in for when I added the hot end. I remember that when I extended the bed I had to enter the code in almost the entire night for it to set into the memory. I will keep at it folks!

I also have not tried a run on an sd card though I don't know if that would help.
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Stored settings retrieved
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Steps per unit:
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M92 X84.40 Y84.40 Z2020.00 E96.00
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Maximum feedrates (mm/s):
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M203 X100.00 Y100.00 Z2.00 E14.00 *******THIS IT????? SHOULD BE 30!
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Maximum Acceleration (mm/s2):
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M201 X2000 Y2000 Z30 E10000 ***** THIS NEEDS TO BE REDUCED!!!
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Acceleration: S=acceleration, T=retract acceleration
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M204 S3000.00 T3000.00 ******THIS NEEDS TO BE REDUCED!!!
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Advanced variables: S=Min feedrate (mm/s), T=Min travel feedrate (mm/s), B=minimum segment time (ms), X=maximum XY jerk (mm/s), Z=maximum Z jerk (mm/s), E=maximum E jerk (mm/s)
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M205 S0.00 T0.00 B20000 X20.00 Z0.40 E5.00
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Home offset (mm):
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M206 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:PID settings:
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M301 P22.20 I1.08 D114.00
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Min position (mm):
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M210 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Max position (mm):
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M211 X279.00 Y100.00 Z279.00



OKAY SO I AM SEEING TONS OF PRGRAMMING ERRORS. TIME TO GET IT!
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Thu-03-Apr

Got through the programming by reinstalling everything. Worked when I initially enlarged the print area. However, in the process my 4 lmuu8 blocks I borrowed from a 300mm no sag. Have finally given way as my line slipped. Sounds like a 3d printer right? I am relaxing for now but tomorrow I will be searching for replacements.

On the bright side I found line 16 error. It is a line of code that tells the printer to drop 15mm. I don't know why it does this but I only use Cura to slice and run on Repetier. I will run some tests to find out if that is what is causing the ghost rise everyone has been talking about on the new marlin firmware.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby orangefurball » 2015-Apr-Thu-03-Apr

ThereWillBprints2 wrote:Got through the programming by reinstalling everything. Worked when I initially enlarged the print area. However, in the process my 4 lmuu8 blocks I borrowed from a 300mm no sag. Have finally given way as my line slipped. Sounds like a 3d printer right? I am relaxing for now but tomorrow I will be searching for replacements.

On the bright side I found line 16 error. It is a line of code that tells the printer to drop 15mm. I don't know why it does this but I only use Cura to slice and run on Repetier. I will run some tests to find out if that is what is causing the ghost rise everyone has been talking about on the new marlin firmware.

The lowering of the bed by 15mm raises the Z to extruder the 3mm of filament that Cura does by default. This makes sure that the hot end has filament in it for the print. The Z will move down the 15mm before the print starts. You can remove it in the "starting gcode" in Cura.
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Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-Apr-Thu-04-Apr

Yeah, it doesn't do that. Not being rude, just honest. Also that is after the homing and the dump area commands so I don't know why it is in there. It also is a reference line so that is why we were seeing it in the initial code error statements. In addition compared to the older versions of Cura, which I have used, never had that. Time for a better slicer! In the setup, the program knows that it is a reprap style printer which from what I gather is not bed driven on the Z axis, other guys do that not printrbots, we move extruders. Kind of like Mendells, which also do not have a vertical motion enabled bed.

I will take the tip though on removing it. Thanks and have a good day it is early!!

I also found a local library that does prints for free so I will take my STL to them and have some printed off before the weekend. I may have them do other stuff too. Like this darn mask!!! I figure I can give them the roll and just have them do my prints while I tune.

Cross that out, they are not touching my roll of dark sparkly blue.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby orangefurball » 2015-Apr-Thu-05-Apr

ThereWillBprints2 wrote:Yeah, it doesn't do that. Not being rude, just honest. Also that is after the homing and the dump area commands so I don't know why it is in there. It also is a reference line so that is why we were seeing it in the initial code error statements. In addition compared to the older versions of Cura, which I have used, never had that. Time for a better slicer! In the setup, the program knows that it is a reprap style printer which from what I gather is not bed driven on the Z axis, other guys do that not printrbots, we move extruders. Kind of like Mendells, which also do not have a vertical motion enabled bed.

I will take the tip though on removing it. Thanks and have a good day it is early!!

I also found a local library that does prints for free so I will take my STL to them and have some printed off before the weekend. I may have them do other stuff too. Like this darn mask!!! I figure I can give them the roll and just have them do my prints while I tune.

Cross that out, they are not touching my roll of dark sparkly blue.

Nothing rude about that, just telling you why its there! It does what it says for me on my bot, but milage varies widely across printers.

As for repraps with beds that move in the Z, there are plenty! Most box style printers do this. I'm not a fan of the design but that's just me.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby RetireeJay » 2015-Apr-Thu-06-Apr

ThereWillBprints2 wrote:I am also thinking the programming of the board did not set. M501, thanks JAY! Um but is it really just entering it into Repetier or do I have to do it in the Marlin firmware as well? Maybe?

I am thinking that the settings also never locked in for when I added the hot end. I remember that when I extended the bed I had to enter the code in almost the entire night for it to set into the memory. I will keep at it folks!

< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M203 X100.00 Y100.00 Z2.00 E14.00 *******THIS IT????? SHOULD BE 30!
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Maximum Acceleration (mm/s2):
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M201 X2000 Y2000 Z30 E10000 ***** THIS NEEDS TO BE REDUCED!!!
< 11:59:16 PM: echo:Acceleration: S=acceleration, T=retract acceleration
< 11:59:16 PM: echo: M204 S3000.00 T3000.00 ******THIS NEEDS TO BE REDUCED!!!


Have you reviewed the procedure for reading and setting EEPROM constants? viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2763
It's M500 that stores Active Values into EEPROM. I prefer to use M503 to read out what the Active Values are. And it's easy to change Active Values.

For example, if you want to change your maximum extruder speed from 14.00 to 30.00, you would issue the commands
M203 E30.00 ;to change the active value
M500 ;to store it in EEPROM.

I am not sure why you think you need to reduce the acceleration values, unless your 'bot is giving you too much vibration. Extruder acceleration can be very high because the inertia is nearly zero. And doing your "retract" and "restart" moves quickly is very beneficial for reducing ooze problems.
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Re: E3dv6 lite UPDATE

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Thu-23-May

Oh my the issues I have had.

My lmuu8 blocks snapped on my X axis on the dry run. Downsized the bed to stock but kept height only to have my shot wiring skills be revealrevealed in the thermistor connections.

Fixed the connections, the coding, calibrated mechanicals as well. Then I had jams, my temp was too high and it was melting in the "cold end." I dropped the temperature from 210C to 180C and am about to printeract some masks! Had to cut it in half but it still only should take 12 minutes!

I also found out something weird about Cura. The new quick settings transfer into AND OUT expert settings. I also found that regardless of settings the quick print settings usually take priority. Switching from my usual fast settings to ultimate made a world of difference and I was able to produce a strong raft before it clogged in past attempts.

In the end I learned metal burns the flesh but also melts pla. This hot end is like cast iron compared to nonstick pans. It just gets hot, but I have the fan on it and it is now cool to the touch.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Fri-18-May

Also that the PTFE tubing is needed!
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Sat-08-May

At .3mm thick on a .6mm nozzle I made some prints! The clogs were due to PTFE tube nit being present. Next ones will be 1mm thick!

Keeping the small bed until I can get some more blocks out bUT I am really happy with the rig.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby orangefurball » 2015-May-Sat-21-May

I've been printing really well with the Lite6. I'm extremely impressed by it. The quality is similar if not better than the v6. The only difference being the temperature restriction, of course.
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Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Sat-23-May

I agree, but not hard to change. Right now I am learning it still.

In retrospect, well worth the time and price. Effort we will see as these test guys are hard to see printing. I may add the Laptop tape I found at Fry's Electronics so I .can see and post clear pictures.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby veng » 2015-May-Sun-10-May

To second the earlier post, I didn't do such a hot job of routing the wires even though I tie wrapped them in place and they looked fine on a V6. It turns out that the heated wires can cause the assembly to rotate a little and in my case the fan wires contacted a hot spot which burned through the wire releasing a lot of magic smoke.

So route the wires with an eye to some movement.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby orangefurball » 2015-May-Sun-11-May

I noticed you aren't using a fan on the heatsink. Why is that?
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Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Sun-18-May

I should, I was getting gregreat results with just the fan which I sliced and moved the flow of air just to the right spot. Really I was stubborn.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby orangefurball » 2015-May-Sun-21-May

That print looks really good. Here is one I did with the Lite6 on my Thingystock, results are outstanding with this hot end. I use active cooling on the heat sink and the top is cool to the touch. Very impressive product.

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Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Tue-02-May

The top of the kit, the "cool end?" I switched to the mounted fan and I am really enjoying it. The thing is I am getting weird extrusion rates. On the high end of 235 I made that one lovely piece but it was in actuality thin by about 2mm! What temp for PLA and what size nozzle do you use? I extrude well via test extrusion before running the job, but after the 3rd layer I am clogging even at 180 with 50% feed rate.

I also am going to try another role but I am led to believe that the .6mm tip is too small for that filament. It has to be the sparkles killing the feed rate. Why else would I have different outputs beside unstable temperatures? I have physically checked the temperature to ensure it is consistent. I also ensured that it was reading the correct room temperature. Just seems like trouble via sparkles. I will also note that after I did a regular grey PLA print, the blade that I posted was produced. Maybe trying the initial layers in plain and finish with the shiny stuff? I will also take any thoughts on just going to 1mm nozzle. I also am going to contact makerbot and ask them the preferred settings for this type of role.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby orangefurball » 2015-May-Tue-02-May

ThereWillBprints2 wrote:The top of the kit, the "cool end?" I switched to the mounted fan and I am really enjoying it. The thing is I am getting weird extrusion rates. On the high end of 235 I made that one lovely piece but it was in actuality thin by about 2mm! What temp for PLA and what size nozzle do you use? I extrude well via test extrusion before running the job, but after the 3rd layer I am clogging even at 180 with 50% feed rate.

I also am going to try another role but I am led to believe that the .6mm tip is too small for that filament. It has to be the sparkles killing the feed rate. Why else would I have different outputs beside unstable temperatures? I have physically checked the temperature to ensure it is consistent. I also ensured that it was reading the correct room temperature. Just seems like trouble via sparkles. I will also note that after I did a regular grey PLA print, the blade that I posted was produced. Maybe trying the initial layers in plain and finish with the shiny stuff? I will also take any thoughts on just going to 1mm nozzle. I also am going to contact makerbot and ask them the preferred settings for this type of role.


I print around 200 for most of my PLA, which is actually a bit high but yields good adhesion with no crystallization. I use a 0.40mm nozzle.

As for the sparkles messing with the print, that could be the case. You also probably shouldn't be printing PLA at 235C. I know some plastics can be off, but that is usually the super-cheap plastics.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Tue-16-May

I am at .6mm and just got some proper PTFE tube from E3D online. They have been excellent with the put together.

I agree that I usually run pla at 210 but it was rather cheap material. I will try 195 and see what happens.

In the short run I was reading marlin firmware code manual last night. Darn I forgot a lot of stuff! Here are the fun ones though:

G0 (G0 > G1) This has made mY measurements more accurate for my machine. I read all of the intermittent G0's only to find that later in the manual marlin does not read G0 lines of code in the usual case.

G10 (sets extrusion to the M207 settings) basically it is an auto tune for your print job!

G11 (sets retraction to the M208 settings) now aligns your retraction with the ones just measured from your G10 entry.

That is it. On dry runs, these few codes helped with sudden nozzle lift, wandering z height as well as the speed in which extrusion/retraction needed to happen for the particular print job. Downside, my eyes burn from so much reading.


***Update***
1) Found that the tensioner screw was also loose, now I am getting exact measurements on extrusion
2) Speed is still a little fast but layers are coming out properly, Thanks Orangefurball for the temperature example. I currently am at 188 for pretty smooth lines. Again, the speed in which the bot moves is too fast but everything else is great so I can bear it. By too fast I mean that the filament barely has time to cool. This leads to lift and dragging of other warm sections.
3) All runs have been without glitter filament and still no word from makerbnot as to the temperature or nozzle size that is needed for this filament to work properly.
4) one edge if my metal bed is conceived so it looks like I will have to fire out the LMUU8 blocks and go large once again. Or face the option of not printing on that section of the bed (not a reality).
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby Mooselake » 2015-May-Sat-17-May

The marlin manual I saw said that G0 and G1 are treated identically. Standard (RS274X is the appropriate standard, aka enhanced gerber (plotter, not baby food)) gcode treats G0 as an uncoordinated move at maximum travel speed, uncoordinated essentially means that it might not be a straight line with the axes moving in sync. G1 is a coordinated move, all axes properly synchronized. Marlin just makes them identical and uses the same code for both, so using either one should work the same. Marlin gcode isn't the same as RS274X gcode, and that G0 -> G1 in the Marlin reference means they're mapped together.

The marlin documentation seems to be moving all over lately, today it's at marlinfirmware.org , tomorrow ?? Also their description of the origin of the name gcode (or g code) differs from what I learned. The G supposedly referred to Gerber, who first used it with their plotters. The PCB manufacturing industry (where I consulted for a few years) still calls them Gerber files for masking and milling.

And I just stumbled across this; trouble in Marlin Land?

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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Sat-22-May

Hi everyone! Quick update
I finally got it all honed in and it is amazing! I will work on speed later but right now I am so happy to have finished prints!

Mooselake, I saw that too as I was searching.

I will try to print both sets of bracer arm guards this weekend but you all know how 3D printers work. Should be about 11 hours total for six blades and then to mount them to the bracers!
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Sat-22-May

Quick note, after seeing a post where someone was blaming nozzle size entry on Cura I gave it a try. Worked as well and from vie wing other videos, this comes solely from Cura version 15. Use Cura 14-12 for more accuratests gcode generation.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby RetireeJay » 2015-May-Sun-05-May

The way those power wires to your hot end hang out so far away... do they vibrate or move at all during a print? I would recommend securing them with a much shorter free path so they won't vibrate, because they will suffer fatigue failure. The failure spot will most likely be precisely at the entry point where the wires enter the heater - so the problem will be non-repairable; you'll have to replace the heater cartridge.
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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby Mooselake » 2015-May-Sun-10-May

Yeah, those wires look like a disaster waiting to happen. Could be pretty impressive (Oh, Sparklies!) if they short as they break off.

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Re: E3dv6 lite just ordered

Postby ThereWillBprints2 » 2015-May-Tue-19-May

RetireeJay wrote:The way those power wires to your hot end hang out so far away... do they vibrate or move at all during a print? I would recommend securing them with a much shorter free path so they won't vibrate, because they will suffer fatigue failure. The failure spot will most likely be precisely at the entry point where the wires enter the heater - so the problem will be non-repairable; you'll have to replace the heater cartridge.


I worry about them too however, they do not move as that is slack that is secured from just behind the cold end. After that point it goes into a cable spiral thing that holds several other wires running the same path. I actually re wired everything again because I hated the mess I had on mY hands. This way it clears multiple prints because I am at the stock 4" Y axis range. (I have plans)

To ensure that it does not touch and everything had proper clearance the heater cartridge was installed with the wires facing the sky. This in addition to the four feet of cabling they gave me made it extremely easy to lace over the wood hole right next to the cold end. Which was great because the probe sensor wires could lay just inside those as well as the extruder motor wires. Two zip ties and six hands at once later I was able to secure everything.

Current pain in the side, z end stop height, I keep forgetting to use a permanent marker on the sweet spot.
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