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Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Sun-18-May
by teicher
PBHQ has been sharing some dark photos of the new version of the simple.

http://printrbot.com/2016/05/12/the-nex ... printrbot/

Here are the changes that I could see in the photos, aside from the new metal frame.

dual PSU option
ON/OFF rocker switch
new Z rails
plastic extruder
better cooling fan
ribbon cables

I'll stick with my Al extruders but the others look like solid improvements.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Mon-12-May
by musk
Looks like the usb connector is phat style now.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Mon-13-May
by Boss_Hoss
teicher wrote:PBHQ has been sharing some dark photos of the new version of the simple.

http://printrbot.com/2016/05/12/the-nex ... printrbot/

Here are the changes that I could see in the photos, aside from the new metal frame.

dual PSU option
ON/OFF rocker switch
new Z rails
plastic extruder
better cooling fan
ribbon cables

I'll stick with my Al extruders but the others look like solid improvements.



From the looks of it, the X-axis must also be a linear rail (the single line of countersunk screws

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Thu-07-May
by teicher

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Thu-10-May
by MegaMoonMan
At that price, I won't be updating my simple metal anytime soon. Too much extra unneeded crap raising the price. Touch screen? Don't want. A big panel covering the extruder? DON'T WANT. Wi-fi? Don't want. And it looks like no heated bed.

I like the rails and the cabling - and that's about it. Not worth it to me.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Thu-18-May
by teicher
Yeah, I'm not nearly as excited about it as I thought I might be. I'd rather put that kind of money towards a Plus or a v1 simple and keep the change.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Fri-17-May
by musk
I like and would pay for these new things:
1. Linear rails
2. The improved ribbon cable scheme, hopefully reduces chance of cables failing.
3. More build volume
4. An LCD of any kind (Even the old ones are fine, doesn't need to be touch or color)
5. The more robust phat USB connector
6. The power switch and cleaner power connecction
7. Blower-style filament fan
8. Dual fan connectors on the new motherboard

Don't want:
1. Wi-fi
2. The new plastic extruder. Give me the old AluExtruder.
3. Why isn't the bed heated at this price?

If I were able to retrofit all those wanted features onto my older machines, I'd probably pay $250 for the upgrade.
I'm guessing that Printrbot has determined that the Play is fulfilling their low-price offering and the Simple can sell to the mid-tier customers for $900. The old simple had only a $200 cost difference between it and the $400 Play, so this new edition spreads out the price points (and features) of their machines a little more.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Fri-17-May
by Some Printr Noob
I feel like printrbot's losing it's "touch". QC is all over the place, especially with their new boards being made in house. Prices are no longer cheap when compared to the overall market. The printers are good, but not enough really to pay such a premium.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Fri-18-May
by musk
Some Printr Noob wrote:I feel like printrbot's losing it's "touch". QC is all over the place, especially with their new boards being made in house. Prices are no longer cheap when compared to the overall market. The printers are good, but not enough really to pay such a premium.


I haven't bought a new printer in a year or so. Are there a bunch of new machines that are roughly equivalent to Printrbot at better prices? By "roughly equivalent" I mostly refer to all-metal construction. If there are, that's awesome!

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Fri-20-May
by Mooselake
As an aside, there's a story from Maker Faire that the new simple's controller was designed by Synthetos (of tinyg/tinyg2) fame, and drives it at "breakneck speeds". Wonder if it's the ARM controller hinted at previously, and who's going to build (and maybe even) test it? Hope they take appropriate spinal precautions.

Kirk

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Fri-23-May
by usagi
too expensive. with the V2, printrbot has priced the PSM out of the market. there are much better printers at this price point. even ones with heated beds!

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Fri-23-May
by Some Printr Noob
musk wrote:
Some Printr Noob wrote:I feel like printrbot's losing it's "touch". QC is all over the place, especially with their new boards being made in house. Prices are no longer cheap when compared to the overall market. The printers are good, but not enough really to pay such a premium.


I haven't bought a new printer in a year or so. Are there a bunch of new machines that are roughly equivalent to Printrbot at better prices? By "roughly equivalent" I mostly refer to all-metal construction. If there are, that's awesome!


Probably most popular right now is the Wanhao Duplicator i3/Monoprice Maker Select/Aldi 3d printer

http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13860

$350 for 8x8x7", heated build plate with a BuildTak surface, and a metal body.

Less popular but still an option is the Maker's ToolWorks MiniMax.

http://store.makerstoolworks.com/printe ... inter-kit/

$699, 8x9x8", e3d v6, heated build platform. Definitely the more premium option but still seems like a better option than this v2.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Sat-22-May
by JonS
I saw the new Simple at Maker Faire today. It looked nice, but I'm not its target audience so I didn't pay that much attention to it.

I did overhear something about the new controller, but when I was talking to Brook a little later I forgot to ask about it. Sorry folks!

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Sun-02-May
by thawkins
JonS wrote:I saw the new Simple at Maker Faire today. It looked nice, but I'm not its target audience so I didn't pay that much attention to it.

I did overhear something about the new controller, but when I was talking to Brook a little later I forgot to ask about it. Sorry folks!


I would guess given that it has a touch screen that it's using propriety closed firmware, for me that means not to be touched with a very very long pole.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Wed-03-May
by Sagbot
There was talk about the v2's tinyg firmware on google+. My impression is that it does use a 32-bit ARM micro... and they were hyping tinyg's motor planning on the software side.

I'm impressed with Printrbot's design ability. Is it Brian Roe who's designing the metal bots? Maybe the Metal Plus is staid, but the Simple v1 and v2 both make you feel something. The v2 is very different but full of style.

Let's hope for their sake this new product works a lot better than the previous ones.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Wed-06-May
by cacb
thawkins wrote:I would guess given that it has a touch screen that it's using propriety closed firmware, for me that means not to be touched with a very very long pole.


If the touch screen is optional I might be interested in the Simple v2, minus the touch screen. If it is mandatory in v2 I agree with you.

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Wed-09-May
by Mooselake
On the gearotic.com forum there's a long technical discussion of what n'th (7, 8, 42, whatever) order planning is and how it works. While porting it to low end MCUs is new, it's been around a fair while. Gearotic is the retirement/have fun project of the original hobby CNC controller Mach and he recently released an n'th order controller Auggie that would blow the socks off tinyg. I have the parts, but not the time, to add it to my laser cutter. Total cost, including one of those micro PCs is probably within range of the PB2. The 80" monitor would be extra...

Kirk

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-May-Wed-09-May
by Mooselake
Remains to be seen about the whole open/closed source thing - remember how Brook dumped Repetier-Host? It'd be very hard for them to back off that

Kirk

Re: Sneak Peeks of the New Simple

PostPosted: 2016-Jul-Thu-10-Jul
by Mooselake
This topic has a stuck phantom post by robertkuok that shows up with show unread posts. It's a known phpBB bug that happens when a post isn't properly created and linked into the database tables because of a timeout, etc.

To make it go away, first read all the other unread posts :) Then (using a web browser, not tapatalk) go to the main board index. On the right side under the Wiki link you'll see a link "mark forums read". Click on it.

Kirk