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Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Jul-Tue-08-Jul

7 hours, I set it up and went to bed, You can see the sun coming up in the video.
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Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Jul-Tue-19-Jul

We Just released the Z10 Upgrade!

Check it out here:
http://matrix-precision.com/products/pms-z10-upgrade
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jdublu » 2014-Jul-Wed-09-Jul

Anxiously awaiting it's arrival.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Defy » 2014-Jul-Wed-19-Jul

I almost bit but shipping was killer so I'll wait for the full kit!
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Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Fri-07-Aug

Defy wrote:I almost bit but shipping was killer so I'll wait for the full kit!


That's a valid point defy,

It sucks because all major carriers are within a dollar of eachother. The price of shipping automatically jumps 10$ when we cross the Canadian border.

That being said, we did some digging, we found an alternative we are willing to try. I will be adjusting the shipping rates to suit our new method in a few hours.

Please check it out and let me know if this is more acceptable. Feedback such as yours is super important to us!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Defy » 2014-Aug-Fri-22-Aug

Better (still 20 bucks shipping not too bad). But i know i'll want the xy upgrade too so i would rather do the whole kit and pay shipping once.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Sat-14-Aug

Completely understandable!

We have ordered all the relevant materials for the XY kits. We are essentially just waiting for an opening on a Cnc mill at the shop. Which is scheduled for the week after this coming week. So if all goes well, you shouldn't have to wait much longer.

Now we have been tossing around an idea lately that warrants me asking this question:

Do we black anodize the tables? Or leave them bare?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Defy » 2014-Aug-Sun-13-Aug

Well the original finish is a powder-coat, anodizing might look weird against powder-coat. I personally don't care to add more cost for looks.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Sun-13-Aug

Good to know, We likely wouldn't be pulling the trigger on that option until batch 3 anyways. Thanks Defy for the input! Much appreciated.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Defy » 2014-Aug-Mon-12-Aug

Also you will get folks wanting different colors (ie white,silver,red).
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jdublu » 2014-Aug-Mon-14-Aug

Got the Z axis upgrade today Chris, looks great. Thanks for the goodies. Did you have to extend the extruder motor wires to reach the full 10 inches?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Mon-19-Aug

I did not! But it's close to the limit. I made a 14" model that I have on my machine, but I can't stretch it very far past 10" without rewiring. The motor wires actually appear to be long enough to do it, but the y axis limit switch wires are the bottleneck.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby neo2478 » 2014-Aug-Fri-04-Aug

Hey Chris, awesome job!!!
I just ordered a Simple Metal and am still waiting for it to arrive, but can't wait to upgrade it already!
Quick question though. Any chance of adding international shipping? I noticed on the website that you only ship to the US and Canada......I'm in the Netherlands :(
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Fri-07-Aug

Thanks Neo1478,

We have been shipping internationally on a few occasions. When you are ready to order just send us an email and we usually just create a custom checkout for that specific order.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby neo2478 » 2014-Aug-Sat-10-Aug

Good to know Chris, thanks!
Any idea of when the xy upgrade kit will be available again?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Sat-12-Aug

Approx. the week after this coming week. By then all the materials should have shown up.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Sun-20-Aug

Just designed and printed some of these for a little stability on the Metal Simple.

I posted the Download link on the site if anyone wants them!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby neo2478 » 2014-Aug-Tue-10-Aug

Nice feet design Chris! Do you feel a difference with the stability of the bot?

Also, I was thinking about ordering the heated bet kit from printrbot, but if I get the xy upgrade from you, wouldn't I just need to buy the heated pad, thermistor and power supply? Are there any extra pieces that come in the heated bed upgrade kit that I'd be missing?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Tue-12-Aug

Thanks neo. The feet help with stability. I have two spools mounted on top of the rods, and with the larger MIC6 table, it has the tendency to be unbalanced when the table is at either extreme of the x travel. The machine will not tip while under its own motion, however a slight push could make it tip, so the feet prevent that from happening. I printed these with 12% infill, and that had the effect of making them springy enough to act as a sort of leaf spring suspension at the same time. The machine is much more stable now. I have each foot sitting on a rubber pad I found at IKEA in the kitchen section (designed for sitting hot pots on) which prevents it from sliding around, while at the same time dampening the vibration that would transfer into the desk without the rubber pads. This makes the machine much quieter as well since the desk doesn't resonate.

The kit would only require you to get your own heated pad, either 6" or 8" whichever you would prefer, a suitable power supply and the thermistor. Everything else is included in the matrix kit. Rods, plates, belts, tensioners, and some of the files will be released in the downloads section so that you can print/modify replacement parts if necessary.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby InfamousChicken » 2014-Aug-Tue-13-Aug

Hello Chris,
So to confirm what neo asked, if I were to purchase either the 8" or 6" heated beds (probably 8" if that works with the new version) from the Printrbot website as well as their thermistor and appropriate power supply, I'd be good to go with your xy upgrade? If so, as soon as they are up for sale again, I'll definitely be picking up one with a Z10 upgrade!

Thanks for making these upgrades available!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Tue-15-Aug

InfamousChicken wrote:Hello Chris,
So to confirm what neo asked, if I were to purchase either the 8" or 6" heated beds (probably 8" if that works with the new version) from the Printrbot website as well as their thermistor and appropriate power supply, I'd be good to go with your xy upgrade? If so, as soon as they are up for sale again, I'll definitely be picking up one with a Z10 upgrade!

Thanks for making these upgrades available!


That is correct InfamousChicken,

HOWEVER. It has been brought to our attention recently that PB may have had a slight design change on the Metal Simples. We are looking into it now. One apparent feature change is the fan mount. Older models would appear to have 2 mounting screws while the newly released/shipped versions seem to have 4 mounting screws, this is from the reports of one of our customers.

If anyone can verify this it would be greatly appreciated. We are currently looking into making the XY upgrade universal should it have undergone dimensional changes on PB's end. As it stands we are receiving reports that the Z10 upgrade will not work on the newer models as the hole spacing seems to have changed. But as I said we are currently looking into this.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby InfamousChicken » 2014-Aug-Tue-15-Aug

Thanks Chris!

I got my Metal recently (off of Amazon so the supply chain might be a little different), are there any measurements/pictures I could take to help you out?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Tue-16-Aug

Check out this page to see the differences in the Z blocks:

http://matrix-precision.com/products/pms-z10-upgrade
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby InfamousChicken » 2014-Aug-Tue-16-Aug

I measured from far edge to far edge and I got 39.76 and 75.50 mm so it looks like it's the same model. Anything else?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Tue-16-Aug

Thank you InfamousChicken. Looks like yours is the same. So all of our upgrades are currently designed around your model.

I will continue digging to try and find the dimensional differences on the new models in the hopes to make our upgrades universal.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby InfamousChicken » 2014-Aug-Tue-22-Aug

Excellent! Should I go ahead and order the Z-extension or should I wait for the XY-extension to come back in stock? I'd like to save on shipping. When will the extended bed be back in stock?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby FenianEMT » 2014-Aug-Thu-14-Aug

Chris,

I ordered a new Simple Metal kit from Printrbot last weekend (my first 3D printer), and I should be receiving it next Wednesday (according to UPS). If you want, I can do any measurements you need after it arrives and I get it built.

I'm very much looking forward to tinkering and upgrading!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Fri-10-Aug

Hi Guys,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you all. I have spent the last few days trying to track down the differences.

InfamousChicken, I would hold off temporarily, we will be machining the tables early next week, we had temporarily put a stop on the production in light of these newly discovered dimensional changes, but it would seem that the table upgrade remains unaffected. As far as the Z upgrade is concerned I have put a brief noticed at the bottom of the product page that outlines some of the noticeable differences between the models, I will be updating that information as more comes my way.

FenianEMT congrats on your purchase! I'm sure you will have a lot of fun with your metal simple! I appreciate your offer and I might take you up on it should I find I'm missing data.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby InfamousChicken » 2014-Aug-Sun-11-Aug

Chris,

Thank you for the update! I look forward to getting the upgrades once they're back in stock!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby jdvmi00 » 2014-Aug-Wed-20-Aug

Mach-Chris wrote:Just designed and printed some of these for a little stability on the Metal Simple.

I posted the Download link on the site if anyone wants them!


The STL file is corrupt when I try to load it into Repetier Host V1.0.1
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Thu-10-Aug

jdvmi00 wrote:
Mach-Chris wrote:Just designed and printed some of these for a little stability on the Metal Simple.

I posted the Download link on the site if anyone wants them!


The STL file is corrupt when I try to load it into Repetier Host V1.0.1


Thanks for letting me know, I will look into that shortly. :)
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Thu-10-Aug

I believe I have fixed the issue.
You can check the Stl on the site, It should work for you now.

I often design and export my models in imperial dimensions. It would appear that repetier doesn't like the scale when I do this. I use kisslicer so that makes it easy to convert models between metric and inch easily. I used kisslicer to open this STL, then I converted it from inch-mm and then saved the stl from Kiss. If you have similar problems with any other models this may help in the future.

Thanks again jdvmi00!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby hbkdinobot » 2014-Aug-Sat-13-Aug

Hello. I am thinking about purchasing a Printrbot Simple Metal, and would like to do your upgrade kits.

I assumed I would get the new model with the changed inline screws. Are you planning on releasing a Z10 upgrade for the newer model? and when will the XY upgrade be available again?

Thank you!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Sat-20-Aug

Hi Hbkdinobot!

Yes we are offering a variant to accommodate the different models.

To answer your question as to when they will be available.....3 minutes ago....MIC6! ;)
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby jdvmi00 » 2014-Aug-Sun-08-Aug

Awesome, placed an order for the black xyz upgrade but didn't see a place to specify which "z" model I will need. I have the older model where the 4 screws are not lined up. Is this the default selection?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Aug-Sun-09-Aug

There was an "add a note" in the check out page. Sorry I should have made it more clear. I will fix that shortly. But don't worry, we got you covered. In the future if you have order questions such as this, please don't hesitate to email us. We always get emails faster than forum posts or messages. :) thanks for ordering!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby InfamousChicken » 2014-Aug-Sun-16-Aug

Ordered! Thank you for making this available!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby jdvmi00 » 2014-Sep-Mon-18-Sep

Received this XYZ upgrade kit today. Isn't this supposed to support the printrbot 8x8 heat bed? My 8x8 heatbed does not fit in the cutout on the xy plate.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby jdvmi00 » 2014-Sep-Mon-18-Sep

Here is a picture to illustrate the issue...
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Sep-Tue-07-Sep

Hi Jdvmi00,

As we explained in the email, our pockets can accommodate up to 8" x 8" heaters as this was the maximum pocket size we could produce without compromising the support structure of the plate. Our pocket is actually closer to 8.125" x 8.125". Unfortunately, although PB heatbeds are advertised as 8"x8" under their technical specs, they actually measure much closer to 8.3"-8.5" and as you can see are almost the full size of the plate. We wanted to give the option for people to experiment with different heater configurations to we made the pocket as accommodating as possible.

There are number of options that you may wish to pursue,

Ebay seems to have quite a diverse range of Heatbed sizes for decent prices, although the quality may be unknown.

Alternatively you may choose to mount your larger PB heatbed on top of the print surface and print directly on it using Kaptop tape.

Thirdly you may wish to use the 6" heater as I have. The 6" heater provides sufficient heat for the bed as the larger pocket and thinner material between print surface and heat source, conducts the heat quite well. It also has the added advantage of requiring less power.

We are looking into manufacturing heatbeds of our own to that we could incorporate into future releases, however this is still in its preliminary design stages for now.

Sorry for any misunderstanding
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Nill » 2014-Sep-Tue-16-Sep

Since nearly all 8x8" (200x200mm) pcb beds are actually 8.425x8.425" (214x214mm) to accommodate mounting holes, I'm guessing silicone or kapton heating pads will be the only true 8x8's that will fit, baring a custom pcb.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Sep-Tue-16-Sep

It seems that way for the time being. The intent was to allow as much room for experimentation as possible. Someone even suggested using a round delta heater at one point.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby musk » 2014-Sep-Fri-12-Sep

The z10 upgrade works great, in case anybody is on the fence. Worth the $55.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jdublu » 2014-Sep-Fri-14-Sep

I fully agree. I just haven't found anything I want to print bad enough that makes use of the full 10 inches, yet.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby hangarace » 2014-Sep-Fri-20-Sep

Just a quick note to Mach-Chris..I got my upgrade...wow. Must have flew across the border. Thank you. I am working with company in AZ to make a 200mm x200mm square heat pad. He has made some simple printrbot heat pads already, but they were oblong. Might have to sub one. Not sure yet. Anyway I would have thought that he would have had inquiries already. Didn't appear that he did. I hope he will make mine and maybe a couple extras. Anyway thanks again. :D

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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Sep-Sun-11-Sep

Thanks, Musk, Dave T, and Jay!

Its funny you mention that Jay, I find myself in the same boat, sure I can print something 10" tall, but do I want to tie up my printer for that long? Lets face it, a vase has no place in my workshop, I keep no flowers. My decor is definitely more industrial lol.

That's awesome news on the heater Dave! I have the intention of playing around with some copper clad boards and seeing what I can come up with, I've just been super busy lately. Let us know how your custom heater works out! We always want to encourage the community to build and improve together as a whole! The beauty of this method is that when one of us gets writers block, someone else can always offer a fresh perspective! I LOVE it! :)

Now that I've distracted myself for a few minutes on PB talk, it is time to get back to working on our super secret project, so little to do, and too much time! wait, strike that, reverse it....hmmm, I'm suddenly craving chocolate. ;)
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Shaun.s » 2014-Sep-Tue-14-Sep

Got mine yesterday! Waiting on a couple more parts to arrive before the upgrade and I have a question... You mention changing settings in the EEPROM in the assembly instructions but there is no reference on how to do this?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Oct-Wed-05-Oct

Hi Shaun,

This can be done a number of ways. It depends on what software you are using to control the printer. In OctoPrint you can use the "Terminal" tab, on repetier there is an "EEPROM" settings window available via one of the menus at the top of the screen. Alternatively, In repetier, you can also manage the settings via the manual control tab, there is a terminal input field above all the control buttons. Use M501, to load/display all currently saved settings. Make any appropriate changes by typing the desired command and its new value. (EX: M212 Z-1.2) Then use M500 to save those changes. Run M501 again to verify you have made and saved your changes.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby hax0red » 2014-Oct-Fri-20-Oct

Still looking at buying this upgrade but unsure which heat bed to get since my current MK2B wont fit below and I'm having trouble getting it above 98-103C directly powered from a 800 watt 12v gaming power supply(no switching yet still deciding on relay or..).

Anyone know if this bed will fit?

http://www.amazon.com/200x200mm-Silicon ... 9ER0JF83DM


It looks like the one being sold specifically for this upgrade by another site but they have been out of stock for quite a while now. I'm hoping it will fit and comes with the 3M tape otherwise I might try some thin grey 3M double sided tape I have on hand.

I'm also planning to use a 8x8 borasilicate piece of glass, anyone else running this setup? I will probably use binder clips initially until I can figure out a cleaner more permanent mounting method.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby hax0red » 2014-Oct-Fri-20-Oct

Hey Chris, if I ordered today what kind of delivery time range would I be looking at shipped to south Florida?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Oct-Sat-12-Oct

Hi Hax0red,

The average transit time to the US is 4-6 days. Our kit actually includes the adhesive necessary to mount a heater like the above linked one to the bed.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby hangarace » 2014-Oct-Mon-21-Oct

Chris at Matrix...I got my custom Heat bed and it fits your upgrade perfectly. The company that made mine is 3Dheatbed. (won't allow link, Google it) I have been dealing with a very nice man by the name of Jim Keaton. He advise me tonight that a batch will be ready for sale at his eBay site in 1-2 weeks. They will be available with the Printrbot plug and also can supply the thermistor with the appropriate plug. Mine was Plug and Play and heats to required temp after a few minutes. 8-) Just wanted to pass on my good find and note...this fits ! 200mm x 200mm...just right.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Oct-Tue-11-Oct

Super cool! That looks awesome.

We also found some silicone heaters on Amazon that fit well, (think they are made by QUBD)
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby twilliams » 2014-Oct-Thu-22-Oct

Are these upgrades still available?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby elitegoodguy » 2014-Nov-Sun-16-Nov

twilliams wrote:Are these upgrades still available?



I would love to know the same. I just ordered my Printrbot and would like to order the Volume upgrade for it. The website says they are no longer selling though.

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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby twilliams » 2014-Nov-Sun-18-Nov

Yeah I sent an email an never heard back. Went with the official heated bed upgrade. Really a shame they are not doing these anymore.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby InfamousChicken » 2014-Nov-Tue-15-Nov

From the look of their website, they aren't making the kits anymore. Darn. I hope someone picks up the torch!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Nov-Wed-11-Nov

Hi guys! Sorry for being missing in action lately. I've been working with a team based in Kingston Ontario on a pretty revolutionary product. I would encourage you guys to check it out!

As for the upgrades, they are currently on hold, unfortunately. I have no yet made the decision as to whether or not the project will be rebooted pending the completion of my collaboration with mosaic. I would encourage any and all interested parties to email me so I can, at the minimum,gauge the interest in our upgrade kits and plan accordingly.

For those of you wondering if I have any stragglers in terms of kits, unfortunately I do not. I have a few odds and ends, but nothing that it worth getting rid of at this point.

Thanks to everyone for their support and understanding!

In the meantime, check out the link below!

Www.Mosaicmanufacturing.com
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby willbracken79 » 2014-Nov-Thu-13-Nov

I have a question regarding these volume upgrades that I have been unable to solve on my own!

I have tried changing all sorts of parameters on my printrbot simple metal to recognize the new 8" x 8" x 10" dimensions created by this kit, but no matter which parameters I change in slic3r (print settings), reptitier (printer settings), my prints will only acknowledge the old build volume(6" x 6")... Can someone explain why this happens, and which parameters specially I need to change to accommodate the new 8" x 8" x 10" volume? I would ask the matrix guys, but seeing as they've gone dark I'd love some help from someone who has made it work.

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Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Nov-Thu-22-Nov

Hi William, our email is still active should you need to get a hold of us for things of this nature. I believe it is posted at the beginning of the thread.

As for your dilemma, there are multiple places you need to update settings to reflect your new build volume.

For starters, the EEPROM on the printrboard itself, must be updated to reflect the new travel limits. M211 should be set to x203.2 y203.3 and the z should be changed if you also installed the z10 upgrade. IF you are using the firmware we suggested, you will also want to make sure that the m212 x value is set to x0. As this offset tends to screw with the probing if it has a value other than 0.

The settings for various control software and slicing programs vary, however it shouldn't be too difficult to find the relevant areas in each respective software.

Something to keep in mind, any gcode generated in a slicing program while your bed was laid out at 6x6 will still run, however the prints will be positioned off centre on your table, due to the fact that your previous slicing profile would have assumed the centre was at x3 y3 instead of your new centre which would be an inch away in each direction respectively.

I hope this information can sort out your issues and get you printing some large parts ;) (or a lot of really small ones in one shot )


If you are still having some trouble, by all means email me and I will get back to you as quickly as possible.

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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2014-Nov-Thu-23-Nov

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Here's a screen shot of my eeprom settings in case you find it useful
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby willbracken79 » 2014-Nov-Fri-19-Nov

My apologies for my misunderstanding! I incorrectly assumed that the website being down meant the whole enterprise was inactive. Thank you for the quick response!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Earthworm401 » 2015-Jan-Sun-21-Jan

Hmmm.. The website went from the on hold message to "......Preheating Extruder ;)......." Does this mean you are possibly hinting at opening it back up? :O
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Jan-Wed-13-Jan

It might, hehe :D ;) :mrgreen:
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby BeefaloBart » 2015-Feb-Tue-12-Feb

I really want one of these build plate upgrades, Though I should wait til I get my Printrbot Simple Metal with heated bed that I ordered. Kind of need the printer for the upgrade to work.

Any ETA on the kits Mach-Chris? I could probably just use the Z upgrade only but will want the X,Y later on for sure.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Feb-Wed-11-Feb

Very very soon. The last few loose ends are being tied up as we speak. I'm hoping to launch for the weekend (fingers crossed).
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Earthworm401 » 2015-Feb-Thu-13-Feb

So much anticipation! Haha
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Feb-Thu-13-Feb

You and me both Earthworm401!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jmtyra » 2015-Feb-Thu-18-Feb

Wow..... Just wow!! I'm fairly new to the 3D printing scene (1-2 months) and stumbled across this thread just now. Mach-Chris, I am SUPER excited about these upgrades!!! While I love my simple metal, it would be really nice to increase the build volume.

I hope your launch is successful,
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Feb-Thu-21-Feb

So I thought I would just post some relevant specification changes here for those people following along.

The New R3 xy upgrades remain largely the same, with a few small noteworthy, changes

-There is now a new belt mounting system in play, which more closely resembles the OEM system. It should make the assembly a little more straight forward and easier, especially if you came from assembling the Metal simple yourself.

- I have increased the size of the recessed pocket underneath to from 8.125"x8.125" to 8.435"x8.435", this is pretty much the absolute max I could take it to. I also shallowed the pocket up just a tiny bit. This was to prevent the higher temperatures from warping the plate slightly by providing a little more support material.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby leftoverjacksons » 2015-Feb-Thu-22-Feb

Will you be offering both the xy and z axis upgrades again? This made my day to see and I will buy both the moment you open.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Feb-Fri-11-Feb

Yup! They will both be available, with a discount if you bundle them. There is a drop down menu on the XY upgrade page to choose the 8810 XYZ Bundle!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jmtyra » 2015-Feb-Fri-19-Feb

Someone's website content just changed... ;)


(To be fair, I use changedetection.com which pinged me about it, hehe)

EDIT: And said website just received it's first order since re-launching :p
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Feb-Fri-19-Feb

lol! Nice work Jmtyra!

Quick question: Do you need a V1 or V2 Z10 kit? Have a look at the Z10 Product page for clarification on how to determine the difference.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jmtyra » 2015-Feb-Fri-19-Feb

Replied via email. Looking forward to it! :)
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jmtyra » 2015-Mar-Mon-15-Mar

These kits are rather popular...I see the Z10 upgrade is out of stock, and the XY volume upgrade only has 3 left.

Got mine over the weekend, but unfortunately haven't had much time to play. :(

Thanks again Chris! :)
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Mar-Mon-15-Mar

They did indeed sell faster than I expected! Not to worry though, working on another batch! But they probably won't be ready to go for a few weeks.

In the mean time, I hope to see some prints from you guys!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby leftoverjacksons » 2015-Mar-Wed-01-Mar

Got my kit installed chris, and my god it is wonderful. Happened to get an E3d V6 hotend at the same time, so it's christmas over here. I will post pics soon. Exceedingly professional man, could not be happier with the product.

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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Mar-Wed-10-Mar

Thanks J,

I'm glad to hear you're happy! Can't wait for the pics!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jmtyra » 2015-Mar-Wed-17-Mar

Fellow makers/hackers, has anyone found an 8" heat bed that fits under the 213mm/8.4" space? The official 8" printrbot heat bed maxes out at 80c and most all of the eBay ones are 8.4" seem cheap/low quality.

Any ideas/suggestions?

Edit: Disregard, ended up going with this one.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mooselake » 2015-Mar-Thu-09-Mar

Jmtyra wrote:Fellow makers/hackers, has anyone found an 8" heat bed that fits under the 213mm/8.4" space? The official 8" printrbot heat bed maxes out at 80c and most all of the eBay ones are 8.4" seem cheap/low quality.

Any ideas/suggestions?

Edit: Disregard, ended up going with [url]this one[/url].

While I'm sure that 3Dheatbeds makes a fine product, these heated beds are just plain ordinary single layer circuit boards and not difficult to make - they're old technology that you can make in your kitchen (when the SO's not around, at least). I have no problem reaching 110 with a PB 8" bed, takes around 5 to 10 minutes iirc.

If you're only managing to reach 80 degrees it's time to take a serious look at your power supply and the connections between the bed and the printrboard. An external relay, old style mechanical or solid state, combined with a supply meeting the current demand of the heated bed is the best choice to resolve any problems. Supply the proper voltage and current at the bed, and it'll get hot enough. Insulate the areas where the heat doesn't matter, like underneath the bed, and it'll heat up faster. Plain old corrugated cardboard works fine, and our Printrbots are shipped in cardboard boxes.

Computer power supplies aren't designed to power electric heaters. They get used a lot because they're built in container ship quantities and inexpensive, not because they're well suited for the task. Cheap, as in it's derogatory meaning, supplies can't supply the required power and will output a lower voltage (and consequently current) to reduce the power to what they can supply. Less watts (voltage times current), less heat.

It's pretty easy to check them. In the states get one of those Harbor Freight free DVM (that's digital volt meter) coupons and go buy something there, or pick up a cheap DVM from your favorite online source. Measure the voltage at the heated bed where the wires connect - it should be close to 12 volts. If you're gadget prone get one of these (randomly picked, there's lots of sellers, get a few extras since they're handy) and permanently attach it, hard to beat for a buck and a quarter. Adds a bit of technobling.

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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jmtyra » 2015-Mar-Thu-10-Mar

Thank you for your reply, very good info here.

Mooselake wrote:these heated beds are just plain ordinary single layer circuit boards and not difficult to make - they're old technology [...]

Oh! I wasn't aware of that. I'm still new to the 3D printing space and learning as I go.

Mooselake wrote:I have no problem reaching 110 with a PB 8" bed, takes around 5 to 10 minutes iirc. If you're only managing to reach 80 degrees [...]

Really?? Excellent!!! :D OK, 110C would be more than enough. I was just going by their website which (oddly) claims a max temp of 80C. :?:

Mooselake wrote:If you're gadget prone get one of these

That...sir...is AWESOME! (I love being a nerd) I will definitely be picking up a handful of these, as I can see lots of uses aka lots of places I'd like to see my voltage.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby damauk » 2015-Mar-Mon-12-Mar

I am so glad I happened to look at this post again. I missed out on the first couple of batches. I saw this thread again this morning so I just thought I would see if anything new had been posted and I saw they were for sale again. So I snagged the last XY upgrade :D , I'm a little bummed I missed out on the Z upgrades :( . I've already printed the Y plate so I am anxiously waiting for the additional parts.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby thawkins » 2015-Mar-Mon-12-Mar

Mooselake wrote:It's pretty easy to check them. In the states get one of those Harbor Freight free DVM (that's digital volt meter) coupons and go buy something there, or pick up a cheap DVM from your favorite online source. Measure the voltage at the heated bed where the wires connect - it should be close to 12 volts. If you're gadget prone get one of these (randomly picked, there's lots of sellers, get a few extras since they're handy) and permanently attach it, hard to beat for a buck and a quarter. Adds a bit of technobling.

Kirk


I just got 5 of these little voltage meter things on my trip to japan last week. I wish i had bought more now.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jmtyra » 2015-Mar-Mon-13-Mar

Funny, I ordered 5 as well, but I decided to be 'fancy' and got the blue LED version. Looks nicer IMHO, but that's just personal preference. ;)

Eventually I want to route all of the measurement points to an arduino and display them all on a small TFT display.

And now I've officially side-tracked, my apologies, we now return to your regularly scheduled forum thread. :D
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Mar-Mon-20-Mar

damauk wrote:I am so glad I happened to look at this post again. I missed out on the first couple of batches. I saw this thread again this morning so I just thought I would see if anything new had been posted and I saw they were for sale again. So I snagged the last XY upgrade :D , I'm a little bummed I missed out on the Z upgrades :( . I've already printed the Y plate so I am anxiously waiting for the additional parts.



Don't worry damauk, more z upgrades will be released with the next set of XY's as well. Current ETA is 2-3 weeks. So you won't miss your chance ;)

Jmtyra wrote:Funny, I ordered 5 as well, but I decided to be 'fancy' and got the blue LED version. Looks nicer IMHO, but that's just personal preference. ;)

Eventually I want to route all of the measurement points to an arduino and display them all on a small TFT display.

And now I've officially side-tracked, my apologies, we now return to your regularly scheduled forum thread. :D


Don't worry JT, thread hijacking is acceptable....as long as it's for cool stuff! I think this qualifies, I kinda want to get some of these too....Something about making my printing centre look like an alien spaceship is just always appealing. At the very minimum its like having a nightlight, I mean lets face it....I'm basically still a kid at heart.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby usagi » 2015-Mar-Wed-04-Mar

anxiously awaiting these upgrade kits to become available...
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Mar-Wed-08-Mar

:) new mic 6 just showed up today! Now, just have to wait for a CNC mill to be available!
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby damauk » 2015-Mar-Mon-09-Mar

I got my new 880R3 XY upgrade kit installed. I was amazed at how little time it took to get to me from Canada. I ordered the kit last Monday and had it by Saturday.
I have a couple of notes for anyone interested in purchasing this kit:
1) The R3 kit is anodized not powder coated unlike the rest of the Printrbot (I personally prefer the anodized)
2) You have to print the Y upgrade piece the STL download is available here http://www.matrix-precision.com/pages/downloads
3) There is a really good assembly manual available here http://www.matrix-precision.com/pages/downloads
4) Once you get you upgrade installed you will need to print some stabilizing feet once again there are STL files available http://www.matrix-precision.com/pages/downloads
5) You might want to get a couple of extra zip ties for the belt in case you miss place one like I did.
6) The kit is definitely worth purchasing, and if you have the chance you should buy the Z10 kit, because I know I really wish I had one now.

I do have a couple of questions not covered in the assembly manual. I purchased the Printrbot 8"X8" heater and it fits perfectly in the R3 kit.
1) Does the heatbed mount on the underside of the platform?
2) How do you recommend the thermistor be installed? (I was planning on Kapton tape on the underside of the heater)
3) Which direction should I have the wires for the heater go, out the front or the back?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Jmtyra » 2015-Mar-Mon-09-Mar

NICE! Welcome to the club, damauk. :)

I'll try to answer these, but Chris will definitely be around to give a more definitive response.

damauk wrote:1) Does the heatbed mount on the underside of the platform?

Yup! It mounts in the recessed (drilled out?) area, underneath the print bed, with the 'PB' icon facing up.

damauk wrote:2) How do you recommend the thermistor be installed? (I was planning on Kapton tape on the underside of the heater)

Ohhh...good question! I would assume the same thing, underneath (in the middle?) with Kapton tape holding it on.

damauk wrote:3) Which direction should I have the wires for the heater go, out the front or the back?

Due to the way my PB heat plate wiring was soldered on, I decided to stick the solder point 'out' but cable the wires 'back' toward the belt. (Does that even make sense, lol?)
Here is a picture of what I'm planning. (Due to lack of free time, I'm a bit behind on finishing my upgrade. :oops: )
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby damauk » 2015-Mar-Mon-11-Mar

Jmtyra, that photo helps immensely. The way you have yours installed is the same way I thought I would do mine. I also thought I could run the wires into the base at the same location that the X axis end switch, and if I replace the zip tie that holds that I might be able to keep the wires from getting chewed up by the motor.

At this point I am holding off on the heatbed upgrade because I planned on getting the z10 upgrade so I thought I would do them both at the same time, but now that I see it could work the way I had it in my head I might jump in with both feet.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Mar-Tue-06-Mar

Wow, With a community like this, I don't even need to offer support! You guys are awesome! :)

The heater mounting is really up to you. Personally, I have the wiring coming out of the front. I too don't like the cosmetic aspect of this, but I haven't had the time to figure something else out that works as reliably without fail. If you guys do manage to figure a way to route the heater wiring backwards that doesn't get caught in the belts, or pinched by the delrin blocks (or develop stress fractures). Then please, by all means share!

I also just have the thermistor kapton taped to the underside of the bed. Mine is in the middle, but you may wish to experiment with the positioning. I have also insulated the heaters by putting a cardboard (wrapped in tin foil) backing over the underside of the heater. This helps it get up to temp faster, AND hold temp better (less of a sine wave on the temp graph). All this being said. Just be sure all your solder connections are adequately insulated from metal contact to avoid shorting out. It's worth noting, that while aluminum is highly conductive, it actually loses its conductivity once anodized. The anodized coating can be scratched off, however, which can then cause shorting. So be careful :)
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby usagi » 2015-Mar-Sun-04-Mar

aaaa you are all tormenting me so much.. i wanna buy one so bad :D
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby key bored » 2015-Apr-Sun-12-Apr

Hi guys,
new to the forum. I just got my XYZ upgrade which got here super fast, I think 4 or 5 days to New York and its fantastic, great job Chris. I purchased the new 8x8 heated bed for the metal plus which fit perfectly in the upgrade. I have a Rev D board and wanted to know how you guys connected your heated bed, my board has the 4 pin connector and my heated bed has 2 wires. Do I have to use a relay etc?
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby frankv » 2015-Apr-Sun-15-Apr

The PrintrBoard has a MOSFET output for the heated bed, alongside the MOSFET output for the nozzle. Although it is a 4-pin connector, only 2 pins are needed (12V and GND).
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Mach-Chris » 2015-Apr-Mon-05-Apr

The use of a relay adds a safety factor since the resistance over the connection between the heater and printrboard can heat up / melt / potentially catch fire. But this is all dependant on how good of a connection is being made. Your 8x8 heater for the Plus has stripped leads because it's intended for use on a revF board which has a 2-pin screw terminal in place of the 4 pin connector. I personally haven't used a relay on any of my machines, I have a 6x6 heater on my metal simple which works quite well, and a 8x8 on the plus. But I also don't turn my bed up that high. There are lots of threads on this subject throughout the forum. I would suggest you skim through them so that you can make an informed decision :)
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby RetireeJay » 2015-Apr-Mon-07-Apr

frankv wrote:The PrintrBoard has a MOSFET output for the heated bed, alongside the MOSFET output for the nozzle. Although it is a 4-pin connector, only 2 pins are needed (12V and GND).


Please read the post "Printrbot on fire." While two pins on the Rev D board will indeed supply switched 12V, two pins will not have the current (amperage) rating to handle even a small heated bed safely. Always use all four pins, or else use an external relay to take the high current off the board. The Rev F board, with its screw terminals, has overcome the limitation of the connector and it's safe to use it for 8 X 8 heated beds without an external relay.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Gadget-Dad » 2015-Apr-Mon-10-Apr

My upgrades are on their way! Woot.

I am a Noob, what will be the best way to print on my new bed (anodized aluminum version)?

ABS- Right on the heated bed? Kapton Tape? Glass on top of the bed? Preps- glue, hairspray, other?

Any differences for PetG or Ninjaflex?

Thanks- can't wait.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby damauk » 2015-Apr-Tue-16-Apr

With ABS I have had the best luck with glue stick on glass, but I have had some success just printing on blue tape (heat bed on of course). I wouldn't print just straight on the aluminum bed you might scratch the pretty finish trying to get your print off :D .

With the XY upgrade you should have a 200mm X 200mm print area so any solutions that are recommended for a Prusa i3 should work well. Glass is definitely my favorite and with the glue stick the clean up is a simple wipe down with a damp rag.
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Re: Simple Metal Print Volume Upgrade!

Postby Gadget-Dad » 2015-Apr-Tue-20-Apr

damauk wrote:With ABS I have had the best luck with glue stick on glass, but I have had some success just printing on blue tape (heat bed on of course). I wouldn't print just straight on the aluminum bed you might scratch the pretty finish trying to get your print off :D .

With the XY upgrade you should have a 200mm X 200mm print area so any solutions that are recommended for a Prusa i3 should work well. Glass is definitely my favorite and with the glue stick the clean up is a simple wipe down with a damp rag.


Thanks. That makes sense and gives me something to research.

Really can't wait for my new bed and z10 upgrade! Pictures incoming.
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