Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

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Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

Postby lewisd » 2017-May-Mon-21-May

I've got a Printrbot Plus Metal, and I'm finding it takes a LONG time, like half an hour, to get the bed to 90 degrees. This is even in an enclosed wooden box not much bigger than the printer, with my homemade ventilation system turned off, so no airflow.
Is that normal?
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Re: Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

Postby PxT » 2017-May-Mon-22-May

Those beds are slow to heat up because they're huge, but 30 minutes seems excessive. What kind of power supply are you using? You can try insulating the underside of the bed so that less heat escapes — or more accurately so that less cool air can flow under the bed and steal your precious heat. People have used cork, cardboard, and various other things. There was an official solution for sale at one point but I think it's gone from the site now - a sheet of mylar-like material that went underneath to reflect the heat back towards the bed.
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Re: Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

Postby lewisd » 2017-May-Mon-23-May

It gets up to 70-80 degrees (from ambient 20-30) pretty quickly, but that last 10 degrees takes a good 10-15 minutes.

It's the power supply that came with the printer. Seems like a pretty heavy duty ATX supply. Would using a power supply that's rated higher on one of the 12v rails help any, or is the current limited by the Printrboard or the wiring?

The mylar sheet you mention, was that attached to the underside of the bed itself, between the rails?
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Re: Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

Postby Mooselake » 2017-May-Tue-07-May

Is the bed heater set to PID in the MP's firmware? If so, is there an equivalent of the extruder's autotune?

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Re: Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

Postby PxT » 2017-May-Tue-12-May

lewisd wrote:The mylar sheet you mention, was that attached to the underside of the bed itself, between the rails?


Correct.


Mosselake wrote:Is the bed heater set to PID in the MP's firmware?


Good call - tuning the PID would definitely help if it's not set correctly. Try sending
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M303 E-1 S60 C8
and then wait for it to finish the tuning process. This will take some time.

It should report back three numbers, set those as your new PID values with "M304 P# I# D#" where "#" is replaced with the three new values.
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M304 P1 I2 D3


Then send
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M500
to save the settings to EEPROM.
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Re: Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

Postby Mooselake » 2017-May-Tue-18-May

Fast rise to within 10°, then slow to the setpoint sounds like the tuning's off if it was a hotend.

However, not sure why that massive bed would be set for PID, bang-bang would be just fine.

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Re: Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

Postby Mooselake » 2017-May-Tue-18-May

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Re: Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

Postby PxT » 2017-May-Tue-19-May

Ah, you're right. Bang-bang is the default for the bed on the stock firmware. Ignore my earlier comment.
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Re: Hard to get bed to 90 degrees on Plus

Postby Mooselake » 2017-May-Tue-22-May

Well, trying to autotune the bed would be a good test, particularly if it succeeds. So would setting it to, say, 80° and seeing if it goes fast to 70 and then creeps up the last 10 degrees.

In the old demontek underpowered supply days a piece of cardboard over the bed would insulate it and make it heat up noticably faster. FWIW the cardboard under my heated bed has been there since about 2013, and been up to over 110C without problems

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