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Fault or feature?

Postby plexus » 2014-Jan-Thu-20-Jan

You decide. There are some interesting things going on here...
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby RetireeJay » 2014-Jan-Thu-20-Jan

So what was the original model? Was it intended to look like this?
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby thawkins » 2014-Jan-Thu-21-Jan

RetireeJay wrote:So what was the original model? Was it intended to look like this?


Its may not be correct, but it looks very cool none the less.

This is poly-carbonate?.
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby plexus » 2014-Jan-Thu-23-Jan

The original model has been attached. It is Taulman 618 nylon
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby RetireeJay » 2014-Jan-Fri-12-Jan

So you sliced it in vase mode... I guess you used Slic3r, although I know you prefer KISSlicer.

Anyway, I'm guessing that you purposely under-extruded, causing the "blobbiness" where the nylon comes out in increments rather than a smooth continuous stream.

BTW, that model looks pretty tall. You used an extended PB Plus height, right?
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby Jon Lawrence » 2014-Jan-Fri-13-Jan

Ok so are they ripples (X-Y movement), or changes in thickness?
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby RetireeJay » 2014-Jan-Mon-14-Jan

Another guess...
You used Slic3r in Vase mode, but you also specified a Z-lift and/or a filament retract at every "layer change" - which in vase mode occurs very frequently around the perimeter of the object.
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby plexus » 2014-Jan-Mon-14-Jan

Answer: out of spec filament. oval. 1.71-1.95mm diameter.

so imagine the possibilities: varying the shape of filament to cause different extrusion characteristics to create different textures.
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby RetireeJay » 2014-Jan-Mon-18-Jan

Umm...
I thought that once the filament melted, it kinda didn't matter how round it was beforehand. And 1mm of oval filament with a certain cross-section has the same volume as 1mm of round filament with the same cross section. So I'm a little confused here.
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby plexus » 2014-Jan-Mon-21-Jan

RetireeJay wrote:Umm...
I thought that once the filament melted, it kinda didn't matter how round it was beforehand. And 1mm of oval filament with a certain cross-section has the same volume as 1mm of round filament with the same cross section. So I'm a little confused here.


I think it has to do with varying back-pressure due to varying volumes being fed at a continuous linear rate.
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby PxT » 2014-Jan-Tue-01-Jan

Protoparadigm has a good article on why consistent roundness matters:
http://www.protoparadigm.com/blog/2011/ ... t-quality/
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby marmil » 2014-Jan-Wed-00-Jan

PxT wrote:Protoparadigm has a good article on why consistent roundness matters:
http://www.protoparadigm.com/blog/2011/ ... t-quality/


I was just thinking of this exact same post once plexus said oval filament.

The print looks rather beautiful as is though!
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Re: Fault or feature?

Postby Jon Lawrence » 2014-Jan-Wed-09-Jan

Could a similar effect be done with an eccentric extruder gear? You would only get one bulge per revolution though.
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